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		<title>By: Krisha</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20718</link>
		<dc:creator>Krisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karunanithy could do well if he can solve, with his influence over the Central Government,  the Kaveri, Okanekal, Mullai Periyaru, Palaru and many other important isues in Taminadu rather than diverting the attention away from it. Can he order all the Christian &amp; Muslim Tamilians to celebrate Thai Pongal as their New Year. Is there any proof that Thiru Valluvar was borne in Thai 14th or even in the month of Thai. Then hardly you can call it a Thiruvalluvar year. One day T.M.K.Kanimozhi(then Chief Minister or Central Cabinet Minister) may promalgate that everybody in the drought Tamil Nadu should  celebrate January 1st as their New Year to solve all their problems and people  like V.T would write excellent articles in support of that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karunanithy could do well if he can solve, with his influence over the Central Government,  the Kaveri, Okanekal, Mullai Periyaru, Palaru and many other important isues in Taminadu rather than diverting the attention away from it. Can he order all the Christian &amp; Muslim Tamilians to celebrate Thai Pongal as their New Year. Is there any proof that Thiru Valluvar was borne in Thai 14th or even in the month of Thai. Then hardly you can call it a Thiruvalluvar year. One day T.M.K.Kanimozhi(then Chief Minister or Central Cabinet Minister) may promalgate that everybody in the drought Tamil Nadu should  celebrate January 1st as their New Year to solve all their problems and people  like V.T would write excellent articles in support of that too.</p>
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		<title>By: villa</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20287</link>
		<dc:creator>villa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Year need not have a religious or national flavour. It has no religious or historical significance. It is only a measure of time. A day does not appear any different from another. Starting a year by a specific day is only for convenience to communicate with others. 

January 1st is internationally used and not only Tamils but all races Singhalese, Chinese, Persians etc should give up their traditions and take on this day as the New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Year need not have a religious or national flavour. It has no religious or historical significance. It is only a measure of time. A day does not appear any different from another. Starting a year by a specific day is only for convenience to communicate with others. </p>
<p>January 1st is internationally used and not only Tamils but all races Singhalese, Chinese, Persians etc should give up their traditions and take on this day as the New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: a sl voter</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20262</link>
		<dc:creator>a sl voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Thai 1 is considered as harvest festival -  a festival of the farmers.  Not all Tamils are farmers.  

2.  Thai Pongal is a festival honoring Sun.  Muslims and Christians do not accept it as they do not consider Sun as a living being.  According to their faith there is only one God.  All other things are created ones.

3.  Interestingly, Saiva-ism which is practiced in North East too accepts only one God. I find it difficult to accept that it is part of their festival too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Thai 1 is considered as harvest festival &#8211;  a festival of the farmers.  Not all Tamils are farmers.  </p>
<p>2.  Thai Pongal is a festival honoring Sun.  Muslims and Christians do not accept it as they do not consider Sun as a living being.  According to their faith there is only one God.  All other things are created ones.</p>
<p>3.  Interestingly, Saiva-ism which is practiced in North East too accepts only one God. I find it difficult to accept that it is part of their festival too.</p>
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		<title>By: Zona</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20134</link>
		<dc:creator>Zona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found an interesting response to this terrible New Year change in another popular Indian discussion board. I am copying the content without permission from the site or the person who has posted - 

IT IS MY DUTY TO WARN ALL THE FRIENDS HERE THAT PLEASE
DO NOT GET CARRIED AWAY BY THE FALSE PROPAGANDA
VIGOROUSLY DONE BY THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu

THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu DOES CONTAIN MANY VALUABLE SCIENTIFIC FACTS BUT ALSO CONTAINS SERIOUS ERRORS - WHICH WILL MAKE US
TO TAKE POSITIONS AGAINST CHITHTHIRAI TAMIL NEW YEAR.

IF THESE ERRORS ARE WANTEDLY DONE TO GLORIFY THE NEW
NEW YEAR DECISION, THEN THIS CAN BE THE BIGGEST SIN IN
THE UNIVERSE.

USING FALSE SCIENTIFIC INTERPRETATIONS A FALSE
DECISION IS GLORIFIED BY MANY AND EVEN EDUCATED PEOPLE
FALL PREY FOR THESE FALSE PROPAGANDA.

REAL FACTS:

(1) For the people living in the northern hemisphere
of the earth.
(Most of the world population lives in the northern
hemisphere.
We are in the northern hemisphere.)

DAY WILL BE LONGER FROM MARCH22 TO SEPTEMBER 22
(from Spring Equinox to Autumn Equinox)

July 22 has the longest day time and December 22 has
the shortest day time.

Please See:
http://www.uwsp. edu/geo/faculty/ ritter/geog101/
textbook/ energy/earth_ sun_relations_ seasons.html

THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu. SAYS THE EXACTLY
OPPOSITE AS TRUTH AND DERIVES MUCH SUPPORT FOR THE NEW
NEW YEAR CONCEPT.

(2) The explanation given for drifting of the equinox
is based on accurate celestial data available now as
against ancient data. But whatever drifting is said
for Chiththirai 1 is applicable for Thai 1 also. These
dates are exactly three months apart. How can we fix
Thai 1 as Uththiraayanam without accounting for the
three weeks drifting (which actually occurs on
December 22 nowadays and not on Jan 14) and count the
drifting only for Chiththirai 1?

BEWARE OF PEOPLE WHO APPLY MILK FOR ONE EYE AND
CHUNNAAMBU FOR THE OTHER EYE.

(3)THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu SAYS:

////There is reference in Thamil Sangam literature to
the celebration of Thai Neeradal, but there is
absolutely no reference to Chiththirai New Year in
ancient literature! ////

A TOTAL FAULT!

Iravatham Mahadevan mentioned that Chiththirai 1 as
new year is in accordance with Tamil marabu.

Thai neeraadal is mentioned as neeraadal. Not as
newyear. But the six seasons of Tamilnadu with
applicable months were formulated by ancient
literature. This is the real Tamil culture and these
seasons are relevant even today. The first season is
ILaveanil and belongs to the months of Mid April and
to Mid June, Chiththirai and Vaikaasi.

These six seasons are in the hearts of Tamil folks
including me. The four seasons of English or of the
North India never comes to my mind and also for almost
all Tamil folks.

So Thai 1 as year beginning is against our ancient six
season culture as this splits one season into
two(munpani) . We will have one munmunpani and one
pinmunpani. Who wants to open a year in an half-split
season?

AND STILL THERE ARE MORE REASONS TO HAVE CHITHTHIRAI
AS OUR NEW YEAR DAY.

sn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found an interesting response to this terrible New Year change in another popular Indian discussion board. I am copying the content without permission from the site or the person who has posted &#8211; </p>
<p>IT IS MY DUTY TO WARN ALL THE FRIENDS HERE THAT PLEASE<br />
DO NOT GET CARRIED AWAY BY THE FALSE PROPAGANDA<br />
VIGOROUSLY DONE BY THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu</p>
<p>THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu DOES CONTAIN MANY VALUABLE SCIENTIFIC FACTS BUT ALSO CONTAINS SERIOUS ERRORS &#8211; WHICH WILL MAKE US<br />
TO TAKE POSITIONS AGAINST CHITHTHIRAI TAMIL NEW YEAR.</p>
<p>IF THESE ERRORS ARE WANTEDLY DONE TO GLORIFY THE NEW<br />
NEW YEAR DECISION, THEN THIS CAN BE THE BIGGEST SIN IN<br />
THE UNIVERSE.</p>
<p>USING FALSE SCIENTIFIC INTERPRETATIONS A FALSE<br />
DECISION IS GLORIFIED BY MANY AND EVEN EDUCATED PEOPLE<br />
FALL PREY FOR THESE FALSE PROPAGANDA.</p>
<p>REAL FACTS:</p>
<p>(1) For the people living in the northern hemisphere<br />
of the earth.<br />
(Most of the world population lives in the northern<br />
hemisphere.<br />
We are in the northern hemisphere.)</p>
<p>DAY WILL BE LONGER FROM MARCH22 TO SEPTEMBER 22<br />
(from Spring Equinox to Autumn Equinox)</p>
<p>July 22 has the longest day time and December 22 has<br />
the shortest day time.</p>
<p>Please See:<br />
<a href="http://www.uwsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwsp</a>. edu/geo/faculty/ ritter/geog101/<br />
textbook/ energy/earth_ sun_relations_ seasons.html</p>
<p>THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu. SAYS THE EXACTLY<br />
OPPOSITE AS TRUTH AND DERIVES MUCH SUPPORT FOR THE NEW<br />
NEW YEAR CONCEPT.</p>
<p>(2) The explanation given for drifting of the equinox<br />
is based on accurate celestial data available now as<br />
against ancient data. But whatever drifting is said<br />
for Chiththirai 1 is applicable for Thai 1 also. These<br />
dates are exactly three months apart. How can we fix<br />
Thai 1 as Uththiraayanam without accounting for the<br />
three weeks drifting (which actually occurs on<br />
December 22 nowadays and not on Jan 14) and count the<br />
drifting only for Chiththirai 1?</p>
<p>BEWARE OF PEOPLE WHO APPLY MILK FOR ONE EYE AND<br />
CHUNNAAMBU FOR THE OTHER EYE.</p>
<p>(3)THIS POST OF Mr. V.Thangavelu SAYS:</p>
<p>////There is reference in Thamil Sangam literature to<br />
the celebration of Thai Neeradal, but there is<br />
absolutely no reference to Chiththirai New Year in<br />
ancient literature! ////</p>
<p>A TOTAL FAULT!</p>
<p>Iravatham Mahadevan mentioned that Chiththirai 1 as<br />
new year is in accordance with Tamil marabu.</p>
<p>Thai neeraadal is mentioned as neeraadal. Not as<br />
newyear. But the six seasons of Tamilnadu with<br />
applicable months were formulated by ancient<br />
literature. This is the real Tamil culture and these<br />
seasons are relevant even today. The first season is<br />
ILaveanil and belongs to the months of Mid April and<br />
to Mid June, Chiththirai and Vaikaasi.</p>
<p>These six seasons are in the hearts of Tamil folks<br />
including me. The four seasons of English or of the<br />
North India never comes to my mind and also for almost<br />
all Tamil folks.</p>
<p>So Thai 1 as year beginning is against our ancient six<br />
season culture as this splits one season into<br />
two(munpani) . We will have one munmunpani and one<br />
pinmunpani. Who wants to open a year in an half-split<br />
season?</p>
<p>AND STILL THERE ARE MORE REASONS TO HAVE CHITHTHIRAI<br />
AS OUR NEW YEAR DAY.</p>
<p>sn</p>
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		<title>By: Zona</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20076</link>
		<dc:creator>Zona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Thamils need a continuous year count like the Christians or Muslims. They need to discard foreign culture and beliefs imposed on them under the guise of religion.)

So what becomes of the Christians &amp; Muslims who are Tamil and in plenty in Tamilnadu? Now who is confusing religion with Language? Thangavelu or the &quot;Hindu bigots&quot;

More than the calender it is Thangavelu who is out of sync with rest of the world that is progressing towards more cultural integration brought about by economic integration and internet driven interactive possibilities.

(Opposition has been voiced by a small bunch of individuals who are Hindus against the change in the birth of Thamil New Year. They claim the change is against tradition and borders on blasphemy. Such people are superficial and naive in many ways.)

As though the whole state of Tamilnadu was craving and surging in unison to change the New Year. 

It is another small bunch of archaic individuals who have nothing better to do other than indulge in trivial negative cultural related past times with the sole objective of projecting themselves as the sole custodians of Tamil culture and literature, who have successfully through their political crookedness kept huge masses of people socially backward in the name of culture.

They have resulted in another group of moral policemen who use every occasion to trumpet their depravity in the name of culture. Glorification of poverty has resulted in a culture that thinks regional and insists on promoting a regional identity or the lack of it.

There should at least have been healthy public debates with opinions, views, data and interpretation from various Tamils around the world before such a major culturally significant decision was taken.  If the absence of it was not superficial, then what is and who is naive? In fact in a democratic state, the entire issue should have been informed comprehensively to the public and a referendum held.

I think the people of Tamilnadu should go back and learn history from its great leaders like Raja Raja Cholan and Rajendra Cholan who had a world vision and new how to think big and and act big and not bother with the current bunch of leaders and such equally naive persons who would oppose anything that has a link to anyone outside their frame of cultural reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Thamils need a continuous year count like the Christians or Muslims. They need to discard foreign culture and beliefs imposed on them under the guise of religion.)</p>
<p>So what becomes of the Christians &amp; Muslims who are Tamil and in plenty in Tamilnadu? Now who is confusing religion with Language? Thangavelu or the &#8220;Hindu bigots&#8221;</p>
<p>More than the calender it is Thangavelu who is out of sync with rest of the world that is progressing towards more cultural integration brought about by economic integration and internet driven interactive possibilities.</p>
<p>(Opposition has been voiced by a small bunch of individuals who are Hindus against the change in the birth of Thamil New Year. They claim the change is against tradition and borders on blasphemy. Such people are superficial and naive in many ways.)</p>
<p>As though the whole state of Tamilnadu was craving and surging in unison to change the New Year. </p>
<p>It is another small bunch of archaic individuals who have nothing better to do other than indulge in trivial negative cultural related past times with the sole objective of projecting themselves as the sole custodians of Tamil culture and literature, who have successfully through their political crookedness kept huge masses of people socially backward in the name of culture.</p>
<p>They have resulted in another group of moral policemen who use every occasion to trumpet their depravity in the name of culture. Glorification of poverty has resulted in a culture that thinks regional and insists on promoting a regional identity or the lack of it.</p>
<p>There should at least have been healthy public debates with opinions, views, data and interpretation from various Tamils around the world before such a major culturally significant decision was taken.  If the absence of it was not superficial, then what is and who is naive? In fact in a democratic state, the entire issue should have been informed comprehensively to the public and a referendum held.</p>
<p>I think the people of Tamilnadu should go back and learn history from its great leaders like Raja Raja Cholan and Rajendra Cholan who had a world vision and new how to think big and and act big and not bother with the current bunch of leaders and such equally naive persons who would oppose anything that has a link to anyone outside their frame of cultural reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Zona</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20074</link>
		<dc:creator>Zona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(A close look at the six seasons given in Thamil literature reveals that they are out of sync with the actual seasons experienced at the equator.)

Or maybe the seasons themselves were similar to what they have described. Do you think that our forefathers and great kings were so foolish to describe the seasons as they were not actually experienced?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(A close look at the six seasons given in Thamil literature reveals that they are out of sync with the actual seasons experienced at the equator.)</p>
<p>Or maybe the seasons themselves were similar to what they have described. Do you think that our forefathers and great kings were so foolish to describe the seasons as they were not actually experienced?</p>
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		<title>By: kurikaatuwan</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20053</link>
		<dc:creator>kurikaatuwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah as a tamil I dont understand what these LTTE and Dravida movement are talking about.

We tamils look the same as Indians,

we follow Indian culture if we look at the basics

We are just another type of people in the diverse land called Indian subcontinent.

The people who go on about how we Tamils are the most superior race and have had hinduism imposed upon us by Aryans are full of nonsense and are only looking to destroy our race.

Hinduism is not about one doctrine, it is diverse and all encompassing

Last time I looked in the mirror I saw basically an Indian looking face even though I&#039;m from Northern Sri Lanka.

And look at the retard Prabhakaran who says he&#039;s the sun god and has even banned Diwali because he says Ravan was Tamil killed by the Indians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah as a tamil I dont understand what these LTTE and Dravida movement are talking about.</p>
<p>We tamils look the same as Indians,</p>
<p>we follow Indian culture if we look at the basics</p>
<p>We are just another type of people in the diverse land called Indian subcontinent.</p>
<p>The people who go on about how we Tamils are the most superior race and have had hinduism imposed upon us by Aryans are full of nonsense and are only looking to destroy our race.</p>
<p>Hinduism is not about one doctrine, it is diverse and all encompassing</p>
<p>Last time I looked in the mirror I saw basically an Indian looking face even though I&#8217;m from Northern Sri Lanka.</p>
<p>And look at the retard Prabhakaran who says he&#8217;s the sun god and has even banned Diwali because he says Ravan was Tamil killed by the Indians.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/618/comment-page-1#comment-20044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god where are these people heading?? does this attempt reflect a typical mind of a Tamil? why are they fighting so hard to be different while their own tamils are suffering from war, hunger etc. similar type of thinking by elite has given birth to utter destructor called VP. do you people need any more? sickening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god where are these people heading?? does this attempt reflect a typical mind of a Tamil? why are they fighting so hard to be different while their own tamils are suffering from war, hunger etc. similar type of thinking by elite has given birth to utter destructor called VP. do you people need any more? sickening</p>
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		<title>By: Agnikkunchu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnikkunchu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;.....Only half-baked illiterates do so. Thamils need a continuous year count like the Christians or Muslims. They need to discard foreign culture and beliefs imposed on them ......&quot;
Copied from  above
Dear Mr. Thangavelu
Is Thamil a religion like Chritianity and Islam
or
Are Christianity and Islam languges like Thamil
Who is half baked illiterate then!!???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;..Only half-baked illiterates do so. Thamils need a continuous year count like the Christians or Muslims. They need to discard foreign culture and beliefs imposed on them &#8230;&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Copied from  above<br />
Dear Mr. Thangavelu<br />
Is Thamil a religion like Chritianity and Islam<br />
or<br />
Are Christianity and Islam languges like Thamil<br />
Who is half baked illiterate then!!???</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DF(#6). Applies to SL now .. &quot; a Nation ruled by Souless Opportunistic Politicians? &quot; You know your country better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DF(#6). Applies to SL now .. &#8221; a Nation ruled by Souless Opportunistic Politicians? &#8221; You know your country better.</p>
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